Teen Mums

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Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 22 19:44 - I recently just found out that a friend I know, who is in her mid teens, is expecting a child. There was alot of gossip that flew around after she announced it and becuase of her announcement she has been treated and exiled from many of her girl friends. This may have been becuase of the names like "SLUT" and "SKANK" that was associated with her. But nevertheless, she was exiled becuase she was expecting a child... I wonder if: Girls simply dont look after each other and care for each other... If being a teen mum is looked down upon...
Tori Rank : 310	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 2:42 - I'd say being a teen mom is looked down upon I guess. I have no problem with it really. But in my town there are a few pregnant girls and their pretty popular still.
Unholy Alliance Rank : 13	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 3:17 - I'd say being a teen mom is looked down upon I guess. What do you mean, 'I guess'? It should be. You're meant to be making the most of education during this point of your life but instead these girls are going out and getting banged by anyone!
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 3:54 - Being a teen mother is a clear sign or irresponsibility, as well as a devaluation of human life. A teen mother isn't going to be in a financially stable enough position to raise and support a child considering the fact that she's probably not even old enough to have a job. Her own life will become severely jeopardised because of the fact that she will now be looking after the child all the time and I'd wager that in most places, the process of becoming a teen mother contravenes the legal age of consent.
Foxninja Ash Kisate Rank : 139	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 9:14 - It could happen two ways. One way is that the teen could be a "slut", or she could have had a pretty cool boyfriend and they decided to "take their relationship to the next level" and the protection didn't work, or broke, or whatever. Sometimes its accidental, but its still, irresponsible. If a teen mom is rejected by her friends, then those girls aren't really her friends because true friends never leave your side. They stick with you through thick or thin.
Unholy Alliance Rank : 13	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 10:24 - "take their relationship to the next level" Why does that even need to happen when you're a teenager?
The Illusion Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 13:12 - Cause we're really hormonal and mostly on interested in getting in to their pants and they get tricked in to it usually....I aint like that yet.... Some of my friends are though.
350125g0 Rank : 109	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 13:19 - "If ya can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em!" This goes for anyone, teenager or not. If you're not financially stable enough or responsible enough to have children, don't have them! It's that bleeding simple.
robelanator VIP Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 14:39 - Personally, I think issues of teen sex and teen pregnancy should be separated. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with high schoolers fooling around, sexually, as long as they're responsible about it (ie, they use condoms and whatnot). Teen pregnancy, though, is unfortunate. Having to take care of a child at that age will make it much harder to succeed educationally and/or professionally. Why anyone would go out of their way to shame a pregnant teen or teen mom, however, I dunno. You'd have to be a pretty heartless motherfucker. She's already gotta deal with the physical and financial pains of pregnancy, childbirth, and then raising a kid so I'm guessing she already grasps that perhaps she acted a tad irresponsibly. Treating her like garbage is just adding insult to injury. How about we show a little sympathy and compassion instead?
Foxninja Ash Kisate Rank : 139	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 16:06 - That's exactly what we should give them, Robelanator. Sympathy and Compassion go a long way. You catch more bees with honey than with vinegar. But that's not the case in this world. most people are so selfish and mean that they go out of their way to make others' lives miserable. They pick Teen Mothers off like flys, especially in school.
Unholy Alliance Rank : 13	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 16:50 - So its ok to have a child when you yourself are a child?
Tori Rank : 310	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 17:24 - I think so Gunza Blazin..The way you're talking is like you never were a kid. I mean, didn't you want to do this same exact stuff that you're preaching against when you were younger?
Unholy Alliance Rank : 13	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 17:25 - To get my girlfriend pregnant as young as possible so I could ruin three lives?
Tori Rank : 310	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 17:58 - Not exactly what I meant...but I understand where you're getting at.
The Illusion Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 18:06 - What I mean to say is all teenage girls are sluts
Tori Rank : 310	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 18:09 - Yeah really. Some girls have morals and standards they follow.
The Illusion Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 18:12 - pfft say that to leslie lol or mia
Foxninja Ash Kisate Rank : 139	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 18:30 - Trust me. MANY teenage girls have morals and standards. I'm going to finish college and get my animal clinic up and running before I get married and have kids. You just have to set a goal. Not all teen mothers were sluts. Sex to some people is a big step, and they won't do it with just anybody. They have to absolutely love that person. Accidents happen. all you can do is help her get through it.
The Illusion Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 18:32 - That's all good and dandy but most people will just ridicule her. Which is shameful cause it's the sluts that are doing that.
Foxninja Ash Kisate Rank : 139	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 18:40 - All you can do is not be one of those people. People who are extrememly mean to teens expecting a child need to be beat with a switch. Back then, girls were married off at 13, 14, 15 years old! they had children as teenagers. Hell, they were barely teenagers! times have changed, but that still gives us no excuse to treat them the way some people do. give the poor girl a break. she's having a child for God's sake!
The Illusion Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 18:45 - So? Not many people care I'm surprised I'm not totaly being evil towards them given the upbringing I had I mean I was raised to hate. Not my parents fault but anyway they should be on the pill and be using condoms.
Foxninja Ash Kisate Rank : 139	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 18:52 - Compassion goes a long way, my friend.
The Illusion Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 18:53 - Why the compassion? It sucks you can't be selfish when you're compassionate.
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 19:05 - Only an idiot would get themselves pregnant without a secure family life of their own. Its not like there aren't copious amounts of sex education every where you look now days. Using a condom = rule number one if your a teen. Or going on the pill, or abstaining. Once your starting a family, your clearly in a better position to have kids. Being a young mother means you will miss out on all the learning you should of had.
Foxninja Ash Kisate Rank : 139	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 19:08 - Condoms break, my friend. Kids LAUGH is Sex-ed. they don't seem to care OR pay attention, except for the few who actually grasp the concept. Abstaining...not many people do that, or WANT to do that.
The Illusion Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 19:11 - people where I live know about it and all but they do not give a flying fuck about it.
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 19:29 - Condoms dont break nearly as much as you'd think, and the pill is always a good bet.
The Illusion Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 19:31 - Thanks for that one besides they only usually break if you go mad or they're old.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 19:39 - i think that there is some debate as to why a teen girl gets pregnant and how it will effect her life. I think that if a girl makes a mistake like that and chooses to keep it that is her decision. Yeah, i think that at that age they should be experiencing life and working hard at education, but having a child doesnt change the person you are and the morals and values to have. When starting a family, there obviously should be planning and thought to it, but if it just happened and if there is love in the relationship, i dont understand why there would be such a strong stigma against young mums. Personally, i understand the logic behind "kids having kids" but if thats something that they want and if they are good mums, then good on them. The choice is theres but becuase of the choice they made, doesnt mean that there should be a stigma against them...
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 23 20:11 - The reason there is a stigma is they usually depend highly on other people to raise their children, it brings down the entire state with them! In the UK the amount of child benefits etc being mooched by single teenage mums, the amount of free social housing they are using, all comes out of our taxes. THAT is why there is a stigma.
Unholy Alliance Rank : 13	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 24 4:26 - I was raised to hate. Wanker. Some teenagers even choose to get pregnant so they can 'prosper' from child benefits and free housing. I saw a documentary about it on C4 where they'd rather just churn out kids so they don't have to make an effort with their lives. This element shouldn't be allowed to exist.
Foxninja Ash Kisate Rank : 139	Posted : 2 months, 2 weeks ago at Jul 24 7:12 - You should only have kids if you want kids. Having them so they don't have to make an effort is wrong...but they wouldn't do that if the world wasn't so cruel today, and the only way they see that they'd be able to live in a house and always have food is to do that very thing. The world is cruel because we made it cruel.
Deleted Rank : 4	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Jul 26 9:33 - WOW! Whats up with this thread it's bouncin up and down everywhere going from teen moms to teen sex and being irresponsible to being cruel to teen moms to teens not being smart. All girls need to think about is the guy "ALWAYS" wants to get in their pants no guy is gonna be a special guy who "awww yeah he would never want to get in my pants" don't ever think that yes there are some guys who don't and actually think about the girls life on how "if i have sex with her she can get pregnant and i would be the one to blame" type of guy. And there are some girls who are dumbasses and love giving there pussy up to guys just because they love sex but that doesn't mean they need to be called a slut there is no need for rudeness on what someone likes. Now if the girl gets pregnant at a early age then they accepted the agreement on the responsibility of taking care of a child weather they wanted to or not, if they don't want to accept it then they shouldn't of had sex in the first place.
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Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Jul 27 21:31 - RB6K, I know... In Australia the same thing is happening... People pay taxes to support a large amount of teen mums and yes it makes me angry because I pay taxes. BUT, not all people are like that. Some people didnt want this to happen... KAIM ARGONAR, I think your right about the whole if you didnt want a child you shouldnt have had sex, or at least used protection idea. BUT I personally, would still be a friend to one of my girls if she got pregnant...
xXxshe.VANGxXx Rank : 754	Posted : 1 month, 2 weeks ago at Aug 23 21:17 - Being a Teen mother is tough. . .you don't know what it is like. . . -__-
Tori Rank : 310	Posted : 1 month, 2 weeks ago at Aug 23 23:54 - I kind of understand it. I raised my little brother for so long. It is a lot of hard work, but I've never gotten pregnant.
Charis Rank : 272	Posted : 1 month, 2 weeks ago at Aug 24 1:54 - Okay, well, teenagers will make mistakes. They will have unexpected pregnancies. They will have sex - and yes, condoms break. We shouldn't shun people who make these mistakes and call them all whores. What should be done, in best case scenario, is have them give the child to a family who can't have children. Calling someone a skank or a slut gets the world nowhere. That shouldn't be said in ANY situation. I'm not saying encourage teen pregnancy, or teen sex, but don't be cold-hearted to those who have made a mistake - they have enough of a burden to bear already. While I might be living in some sort of fantasy world, because teenagers will be quite stupid and want to keep a child, I think we should give them support and hopefully the child to go to someone who will raise them in a better situation.
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 24 8:49 - It sure is tough, its tough for most people to raise a child no doubt. But you got YOURSELF into the mess (unless you are a rape victim, which would be an entirely different situation!) and so WHY THE HELL should anybody have to hear from you about it? You are not a whore for having sex young, or a slut etc. You didn't intend to get pregnant, BUT THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE HAVE SEX so it is something you have to take into consideration when you do it!!! You wouldn't be a bad person for being a teenage mum, but you are an idiot. Blunt but true. Nobody but you and the man are to blame!!! I get that people need help etc, but the help shouldn't be hand outs, it should be finding them a job that fits around their family life, or a proper job that they can do from home. Also we should be helping single mothers to meet people make friends and settle down. Not all men are afraid to raise someone else's kid, though of course it is hard to find someone who would. Mothers can still get jobs and pay for childcare etc, even a part time/small job. Kids go to school at the age of 3 in England, so thats only 3 years you would have to struggle on with balancing a child and a life, then a perfectly reasonable 9-5 would suffice with 2 hours childcare (or people could ask their parents to help if they need 2 hours childcare a day, assuming they are still alive!) I can't see for the life of me where anyone can go wrong with this. Its just "Easier" to mooch and scrounge and be a free loader, some women get over 35,000 a year because instead of having a job they have dropped out 8 children! Thats as much as a fucking Nurse AND a fireman gets COMBINED!!! (In the UK its about 16k starting for Nurses and about 20k for Firemen although in some places it is even less!) Single mums, unemployed people, disability benefit claimants and criminals, to name a few (there are many, you could include students but they give back more in the long run etc etc) are the bane of any societies, they are the kind of people who take take take take take and give NOTHING back in return. Sure a single mum could potentially give back a very successful child, but often single mums beget single mums, its an endless cycle of bad examples being made to children. Cue onslaught!
xXxshe.VANGxXx Rank : 754	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 24 11:51 - It is tough to raise a child. . .especially when you are a single mother. . .it bites.
350125g0 Rank : 109	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 24 13:44 - Kids go to school at the age of 3 in England I didn't know that. Apparently kids stay in school until 19 or 20 in Germany as well. This might explain some of America's stupidity, although not completely. ;p
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 24 13:56 - Kids go to school at the age of 3 in England I didn't know that. Apparently kids stay in school until 19 or 20 in Germany as well. This might explain some of America's stupidity, although not completely. ;p I know, to be honest I only found out recently as we are expecting. It used to be 4 if you were born later in the year eg August, like I was, so I started in January as a 4 year old, doing small bits, then went in September as a first year. Now it seems that they are taking people in at 3 years old for a half day or so, to teach them things at a younger age, doubt we will reap the benefits of it for another 14 years or so but you leave school at 16, so thats 13 years worth of Education my kid will receive before it decides wether or not to do another 2 at College and then 3-6 more at University. On topic, that makes me wonder why it is such a huge problem, yes qualifications are probably scarce amongst mothers who are forced to leave school early, but instead of giving them money to sit at home, we should be giving them education and jobs suiting their skills. Failing skills, ie if they have none, give them a menial job which does not require skills from school. Companies can teach people to work on the job, cleaners, telephonists etc all require training on the job. Heck Hitler had people building roads for a living if they were unemployed! He paid them enough to live off and they worked hard for it. Germany prospered as a result...and tried to take over the world. But forget the evil part!! (Hehehe) There was low unemployment and the economy was booming because of all the useful roles being filled by the lower echelons of his society. He did fiddle the books in some respects, but essentially the right idea was there before he became an absolute bastard. If Gordon Brown/George Bush took all the non evil ideas he had, both countries would be flourishing.
350125g0 Rank : 109	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 24 14:13 - Honestly, a lot of different societies from different points in time had some right ideas, including dictatorships (Nazi Germany and fascist Italy) and communist regimes (Russia and China). Of course I'm not saying all their ideas were right, but one of their main objectives was to make their societies the best that they could possibly be and considered each and every citizen in the well-being of their nation. Today the large powers of the world and the "people in charge" are content to keep the rich rich and the poor poor and serve their own self interests before the well-being of all it's citizens. As far as welfare moms go, there will always be those looking for hand-outs until there's a major change in the way the system "works". Oh, and congratulations, RB6K. :)
Wolf-Paw Rank : 103	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 24 17:41 - After reading all of this... I'd say: Yes teenage mothers are looked down upon severely, though it is usually by adults, not friends... Sex ed is NOT everywhere, they only teach the basics until about 12th grade here in the U.S. and by then it would be too late for some... The main problem is some(some) of the puritans that don't want their precious babies to have anything to do with sex, not even learn about it so they won't/can protect do it/protect themselves Also, I agree with RB's simple but blunt not a slut but an idiot/ignorant/major risk taker
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 24 19:36 - Thanks 350125g0 :) As you say, the biggest thing is until the "system" is changed, it will always be the same. Wolf-Paw, unless you go to a real bad school, I am pretty sure that the biggest thing, the most thoroughly gone over topic in sex ed is: YOU COULD GET PREGNANT, TAKE PRECAUTIONS! Yes sometimes these precautions do not work, but they usually tell you what ones are myths, what ones are more reliable etc. A condom can split, but the pill is 99.99% accurate etc. If someone has had such major bad luck that they took precautions, and really needed to have sex, and still got pregnant, then thats just their bad luck really. They still wouldn't deserve a free ride in life.
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vince Rank : 682	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 25 2:20 - she should get an abortion. and why should anybody show compassion for someone who makes bonehead decisions?
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 25 7:16 - You're a dick head Vince! An abortion?! Grow the fuck up you tosser.
Voxy Moderator Rank : 9	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 25 7:19 - You say that like it's not an option at all; it's a valid one.
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 25 7:39 - She should get an abortion he said. Thats an atrocious way to look at it, "She's only 15 and shes pregnant?! Get the Hoover out boys!" She has the right to get an abortion, if she doesn't want to have a kid etc. But she would be a disgrace if she did, because she could also put the kid up for adoption, its her mistake not the babies. I don't consider myself "anti abortion" per say, but I do think it is the worst case scenario, like if you are in a scenario where you are so screwed you can't possibly give the baby a life (which would be very rare and unlikely) then yeah perhaps. If the baby was severely ill and was going to have a hellish life, then perhaps, but only if there was absolutely no one who would be willing to care for it (or if the baby was going to be in agony etc) Basically it is a viable and existing alternative to raising a child, but it isn't something you can just throw out there, its the last stop along a very very very very long road of ideas!! If anybody I knew was considering an abortion I would give them hell about it because basically they are just being a lazy, selfish, LOSER and a murderer.
Voxy Moderator Rank : 9	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 25 7:45 - But she would be a disgrace if she did they are just being a lazy, selfish, LOSER and a murderer. Those sound like anti-abortion statements to me. And judging by the tone, I'm going to bow out of this one and just state that I emphatically disagree.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 25 8:02 - You've already made the argument that single teen mums having babies leads to more single teen mums. They are surely a massive drain on the welfare system. Likewise adoption agencies aren't funded out of thin air, all of the consequences of having a child when you aren't prepared to offer it a stable life lead to a drain on the finances of society. I'm surprised you're so against the idea, considering those who take money from the system are the 'bane of society'.
350125g0 Rank : 109	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 25 11:38 - I'm not at all ashamed to say that I'm very pro-choice and support women's reproductive rights. If a woman/girl chooses to get an abortion, she should be educated properly about her decision and know precisely what it is she's doing and how it could potentially affect all aspects of her life. However, I do agree that it should be a last resort in some cases, especially if adoption isn't an option.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 25 22:27 - Vince YOUR AN ASSHOLE!!!!! I think its up to the person, if she wants an abortion, but it shouldnt be decided for them.... <<>>
vince Rank : 682	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 25 23:17 - kids that are raised by teen mothers statistically have a way greater chance of becoming a criminal, so do society a favor and get an abortion, but if she wants to completely ruin her entire teenage life by having a baby then by all means have the baby.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 26 19:46 - yeah... judging by your total lack of sympathy, i can tell that if your girlfriend was to get pregnant, thats if you could ever get a girlfriend, you would pressure her into doing something that she wouldnt want.... Not everyone turns out bad because they have bad parents... if anything, i believe that, that fact pushes the person to do better...
vince Rank : 682	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 26 19:53 - will having the baby better her life?? i don't think so, if she gets the abortion it will be better for her, she might be able to enjoy her teenage life.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 27 20:34 - yeah... i know that that may be true... and to some extents i understand what your saying, but if YOU killed your baby, wouldnt that haunt YOU?
xXxshe.VANGxXx Rank : 754	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 27 22:35 - that is true, killing a child, especially yours, would most likely haunt you for the rest of your life. 0_o
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 28 16:23 - How about you get your mum to abort you Vince, do the site a favor.
vince Rank : 682	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 28 18:39 - rb6k your a salad tosser, why are u so against abortions when it maybe the girls best choice of saving her teen life even if the price is maybe feeling guilty about it,when she looks back on it in lets say like 20 years she will be glad and then at that time it would be right for her to have a baby.
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 29 20:31 - I'm not against abortions at all, its a genuine and proper route to take but only if every other avenue has been explored. If she does not want to raise a child and ruin her own life, firstly she shouldn't be having sex, but of course she is either unlucky or to stupid to use contraception if she is pregnant. Then of course, she can either buckle up, suck it up and get on with raising her kid and take responsibility for her own actions. Or she could give the child to a family who are unable to have children (there are many!!) or she can murder the kid. Its completely her choice if she wants to do that, and I seriously don't think it should be banned etc, its entirely the womans choice what her body is used for etc, but it IS murder. Murder is taking a life on purpose, and the fetus is physically alive...so what else could it be?! All I am saying is that murdering something should be the last resort, and only if the woman has no choice. You wouldn't murder a new born baby would you, but you would murder an unborn child that is 38 weeks perhaps? Not 38 then perhaps 30? Not 30 perhaps 20? etc etc, its all bollocks! The fetus is alive and growing from day 1, just because it has to depend on the person that made the mistake for 40 weeks, doesn't mean it deserves to die. I think saying "Oh no, my life will be severely set back because of a child" is a cop out, single mums can and do cope if they seek the right help, its just there is a common trend for them to just bale out and settle for letting the system support them. Its the systems fault, and it should be fixed, but it wont be. We shouldn't be paying people to do nothing, the government should expect, and demand something in return. Other things wrong with the system are obviously things such as funding for adoption agencies, and foster care. There are a lot of charities etc, but instead of throwing money at lay abouts it should go on improving these facilities! Give me one good reason a woman should kill a child instead of giving it up at birth? "She might regret giving it up" - She was going to kill it! "She doesn't want to go through child birth" - Should of thought of that before having sex! "Her life will be ruined" - Life is what she makes of it! Nobody is forcing teen mums to mooch, and I mean that, whilst the system is a joke there is nothing stopping single mums sorting their lives out, by the time the kid is 3-6 it is in school giving her time to go back into learning or get a job! Again I reiterate that I am not ANTI abortion, and if you can't see that then you don't understand my point. Abortion is there, and everyone can do what they want I don't rule the world, and if I did I wouldn't ban abortion! BUT I definitely believe that there is almost no logical and justifiable reason to murder an unborn child. The only time I could even see a slight justification is in rape victims, but even then the child does not choose its parentage, but it would be a severely traumatizing experience for the mother raising a child from such an evil act. Again though, giving up said child is a more humane option!
vince Rank : 682	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 29 21:13 - 1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).-dictionary.com's definition of murder. i still don't beleive an abortion constitutes as murder, because an abortion is without malice, so i'm not sure its the same as a serial killer butchering someone.
Grand Assault Rank : 7	Posted : 1 month, 1 week ago at Aug 30 5:24 - Well... it kind of is committed with malice aforethought. You specifically intend to inflict a terminal injury on the unborn foetus. Of all the arguments you could come up with I think that's the worst! Determining when it becomes a human being would probably be a better argument. Saying it's living from the very beginning would mean that killing it is just as morbid as scratching some living skin cells off of your arm. Valid reasons for an abortion would surely be that having the baby would be detrimental/fatal for the mother or if the pregnancy was a result of rape (or even incest). Though in all fairness, if a teenager decides to get pregnant as a result of laziness or immaturity (I lived with a girl who had three abortions by the time she was 23, she told me each one was because she couldn't be bothered to go and buy the morning after pill the next day), then I'm all for the termination of the mother at the same time.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 1 month ago at Aug 31 21:35 - The baby is still a human being, it may not be fully developed, but its a human nevertheless... I cannot believe that your so unhumane... I cannot think about what would happen if your gf were to get pregnant? Would you tell her to get rid of it vince? Because its the BEST thing for her????
vince Rank : 682	Posted : 1 month ago at Aug 31 22:13 - well first off she wouldn't get pregnant with me because theres these little things called condoms and birth control, and second even if she did manage to get pregnant i would make her get an abortion because i want to enjoy life rather than ruin it by having a kid at a young age.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 1 month ago at Aug 31 23:32 - oh ok.... so lets think about that... If everyone was to get an abortion, how would we all come about? And tell me, what age is suitable for you? 30? 50? So, you mother should have had an abortion right? I cannot believe you would force her... What would happen if she wanted to keep it? Would you leave her?
vince Rank : 682	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 1 0:17 - your talking about a whole nother story my mom didn't have me till she was 23 not like 15, and i don't want children till i'm like 40, and if she wanted to keep the baby and not get an abortion i would be heading to fuckin mexico.
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 1 13:40 - Funny thing there is Vince, you'd have no say man. She could have the baby AND force you to pay for it. You'd have to lump it and grow the fuck up. If you think you want to run away to Mexico at the thought of fatherhood then just stick to masturbation, sex aint for you. If you ran away, you'd be breaking the law etc, a massive mess for someone to put up with all because they are such a complete and utter prick, they can't take responsibility for a life they created. Part of me feels that of course taking a morning after pill isn't murder, and wouldn't constitute abortion, purely because in a way if you call that abortion then you are calling wearing a condom abortion because you are killing the sperm and the egg (which is why Christians are anti contraception of course! AND why you are supposed to ONLY have sex during marriage because people do not usually wed until they are ready for children!) Like GA said, rape, mothers life at risk and incest are the only genuine reasons to abort a fetus, any other reasons boil down to irresponsibility and selfishness. My partner is pregnant now and if her life was at risk of course I would chose her every single time, but if she randomly said I don't fancy a baby I'd rather just chill out, I would give her hell about it and lose respect for her no end. Of course, my partner isn't a disgraceful piece of scum like you Vince, she is thrilled to be becoming a mother, and it is the best thing that has ever happened to us both.
T.J Rank : 574	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 1 15:54 - i don't think getting an abortion is totaly bad, but i'll never get my girlfreind to do that. but vince running away makes you a insensative pussy.
Youko Rank : 2055	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 1 16:52 - Uhhh Vince 40 is the age you're suppose to STOP having babies even though some people do it's not really safe
Deleted Rank : 4	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 1 18:45 - My mom was only 17 when she had me. She told me she was really in love with this English man. So I guess that makes her a Teen mom in her age at that time right.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 1 21:14 - lol vince is just an asshole... lets just hope that the babies that are made dont turn out like him ay????
Youko Rank : 2055	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 1 21:17 - If he gets any
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 2 14:21 - Dont worry guys, he spends his nights sucking himself off so I hear. Vince had 2 ribs removed ya see, spends all day with his own dick in his mouth! Hence why he only types bull shit.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 3 19:46 - Very nice.. I just dont understand why are some males so ingnorant...
T.J Rank : 574	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 3 20:35 - RB6K i thought you only needed one rib removed for that? oh wait one on each side =) so i guess 2. and its not aways males the correct thing to say would be "why are some peaple so ignorant".
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 3 20:41 - oh ok... then, because its so common for a women to pester another women into aborting? oh ok....
T.J Rank : 574	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 3 20:47 - no you never think that a girl dousn't want a child? she gets pregnent and she dousn't want a child then she might want to get a abortion. not all mums like children you know.
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 4 13:00 - Its not a question of men always forcing women to do it, most of the time the woman probably chooses, since you can't go into a clinic and do it without being asked a few questions and having someone check you REALLY want to obliterate the life inside of you.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 4 19:48 - yeah.. point taken
Whiterose Rank : 13175	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 5 20:22 - There are ways to say no..so being a "Teen Mum" is completley preventable and nothing people should exaggerate over. It was there decision (the teen mums) to get pregnant because they decided to do "it" (not sure if we're allowed to say the word on here). I think "teen mums" are technically sluts because they can't wait til marriage to have "it" and that's what a slut is who goes around having "it" with people.
Whiterose Rank : 13175	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 5 20:24 - I can see why they get an abortion though. It's there problem not mine, that's my way of thinking. Ahh, another thing to argue about on here. =)
T.J Rank : 574	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 5 20:48 - i wouldn't call them "sluts" for sluts or peaple who go around fucking everyone, so not all team moms are sluts. if you wait till marrige to have sex then you only ended up fucking one person in your whole life and who wants that? =P
vince Rank : 682	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 5 22:21 - rb6k you are a very hostile asshole, your intolerant of other peoples opinions because u think your always right, but your not. if saying all kinds of shit about me, a 17 yr old kid, makes u feel like a "big" man than do it. but u sound like just another pussy who has been castrated by there wife.
Youko Rank : 2055	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 5 22:42 - rb6k does always think he's right but this time ,and many other times, he's right
T.J Rank : 574	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 6 8:23 - Vince RB6K is 23 years old he's still young too, and also don't be calling peaple pussies for you can't fight worth shit. RB6K is very smart and is almost aways right, and if he's not right he still would probly have proven something out've it.
RB6K Rank : 11	Posted : 1 month ago at Sep 6 10:40 - Thanks T.J Vince I am only hostile to idiots like yourself. You're too immature and ignorant for adult conversation, evidenced by the responses you have posted here. I never knew you were 17, thought you were younger by what you said! So knowing you are a full 3 years older than I expected I am even more disappointed in you.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 3 weeks, 6 days ago at Sep 9 20:16 - Vince the only reason why hes hostile to you is because your and idiot... plain and simple... and as for WHITEROSE, why dont you wear your promise ring somewhere else, because not everyone is a slut just because the have sex...
Foxninja Ash Kisate Rank : 139	Posted : 3 weeks, 5 days ago at Sep 10 17:33 - Quote:Vince- "and if she wanted to keep the baby and not get an abortion i would be heading to fuckin mexico." So, you'd break her heart, leave your unborn child, hump your way around Mexico, get more women pregnant, and leave them heart broken and with child? I abhor abortion, for there is a living thing inside of you. A mum has a very strong bond with her child, for it is a part of her for the nine months it grows and becomes a baby. A lot of mums go through depression after the child is born because they are responsible for that soul's life, and it's really hard for them. They need the support of their baby's father. Not to mention raising a baby is hard work, and takes time and dedication. Are you telling me you don't have one caring bone in your body for a single mother? Quote: Whiterose " I think "teen mums" are technically sluts because they can't wait til marriage to have "it" and that's what a slut is who goes around having "it" with people." I have a question. Is there a written law that says that you have to wait until marrige to have sex? Is there a fine, do we have to do time in jail, community service, or will we go to Hell for expressing ourselves sexually? I don't think God will send us to Hell. We are animals, you know.
Youko Rank : 2055	Posted : 3 weeks, 5 days ago at Sep 10 17:47 - Well in Catholic Religion you're suppose to wait until you're married to have sex and when you are married you're suppose to have as many babies as you can and everytime you have sex it has to be because you want a baby
T.J Rank : 574	Posted : 3 weeks, 5 days ago at Sep 10 19:55 - catholics have it ruff i feel bad for them. you should be able to have sex just for fun.
Youko Rank : 2055	Posted : 3 weeks, 5 days ago at Sep 10 19:59 - Well I'm not Catholic
Strange Strange man Rank : 3792	Posted : 3 weeks, 4 days ago at Sep 11 19:23 - putting this in here for the hell of it my cousin has was a teenaged mom, and wat i have recently found out is that one of my old friends is a sex fiend...or thats at least thats how it was described to me
350125g0 Rank : 109	Posted : 3 weeks, 4 days ago at Sep 11 23:31 - Hey, I guess because I'm a responsible, non-married consenting adult, I'm a slut - based on your flimsy opinions. And a heathen too at that. That's cool. But I at least have the sense to use my head and prevent an unwanted birth. Therein lies the difference. ;)
Foxninja Ash Kisate Rank : 139	Posted : 3 weeks, 3 days ago at Sep 12 13:22 - If you actually take the precautions, and you get pregnant anyway...hell it was probably meant to haapen. everything happens for a reason.
Whiterose Rank : 13175	Posted : 3 weeks, 3 days ago at Sep 12 15:13 - Some people do. Especially Christians do. Only dedicated ones. Gee I'm not gonna be a teenager and having sex though! True Ashurii. But it's preventable. You're not a slut if you actually try preventing it. Like that show TSLOTAT (For the idiots who don't know it it's the secret life of the american teenager) Point is, take precautions before you have sex. It makes you a slut if you have sex with every guy or girl in site.
T.J Rank : 574	Posted : 3 weeks, 3 days ago at Sep 12 16:00 - whiterose your statement eritates me don't say "for the idiots who don't know what that is" how the hell am i supose to know what tslotat for i never even heard of the show "the secret life of a american teenager" also saying"your not going to have sex when your a teen" i dout it, if you still feel the same way in about 2 to 3 years then i'll believe that statement. why dous takeing precations make you not a slut? a slut is someone who goes around haveing sex with everyone and there not even in a relationship with the peaple they have sex with. my point is that teen mums are not offically sluts unless they got prenant from a one night stand or something. and that you don't have to wait till your married to have sex.
BlackHell Rank : 592	Posted : 3 weeks, 2 days ago at Sep 13 3:03 - I have a teen daughter and ain't exactly thrilled about the idea of her fooling around while she's trying to get an education, get a diploma, some college by then you will hopefully have the maturity to decide if you want to spend the rest of your life banging your brains out. Todays TV shows promote teen sexuality, and it fucking pisses me off how ignorant it is at times just to the teenies to tune in.
PvtCaboose91 Rank : 20	Posted : 3 weeks ago at Sep 15 7:07 - I heard today from a friend (more of a casual acquaintence actually) that she's pregnant. And she's 17/18. She's already made the decision to kill the thing inside her. All things considered, she really should have been using precautions because she's not living a stable enough life to bring a child into the world. My take on the whole situation: USE A GODDAMN CONDOM!! Better yet, if you want more pleasure: USE THE GODDAMN PILL!! Or if you're a teenager: WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE AT A RESPECTABLE AGE! (i.e. the legal age, or the age when you'd actually want a kid) And RB6K's opinions are spot on. Agree with every word he's typed. The only thing in life Vince appears to have a good grasp of is food and being a coward. In his display picture it looks like he's having a feed. Why the hell would you want people to see you like that?! The only thing Vince would have danger of impregnating is his hand. But that doesn't seem to have the correct equipment to develop a child. Hehe.
Dina Rank : 3417	Posted : 2 weeks, 5 days ago at Sep 17 21:39 - I think that above all,there should be a respect for life... and looking at everyones opinion, preg teens just dont have respect for themselves... my opinion has absolutely changed